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What's the difference between identity design and branding? Is a logo a brand? What is a brand? 3 things you might not know about identity design and branding from Executive Creative Director Chris Do. 👉Subscribe: https://goo.gl/F2AEbk Annotations -- 01:36 Identity versus branding 04:28 Branding is only what others say/feel that you are 07:45 Think more, make less 09:43 How to define the brand 12:30 Putting together logo examples 13:59 Let's Design & Sketch 19:20 Common mistake: depending only on the computer 20:38 Find designers with a deep knowledge of a subject rather than do it yourself. 22:26 Working through logo examples, and hand off the example to your choice designer 26:45 Summary Media Drop -- The Brand Gap - Marty Neumeier Story: Substance, Structure, Style, And The Principles Of Screenwriting - Robert McKee Special Thanks to our Sponsors: Shutterstock - http://www.shutterstock.com Media Temple - http://mediatemple.net This is Ground - http://thisisground.com Links Discussed in This Episode: CORE Really Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4BEt_o9bCk CORE Brand Attributes Webinar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4i3PZucHI CORE Defining the Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e916gMCWVKI CORE session Alignment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOeIG_WDesw _________________________________________________ Listen to the Futur podcast on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-futur/id1209219220?mt=2 Android Stitcher: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/aaron/the-futur Google Play: https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Itg3hr5bs4a54w73o2toxcr4vhe HOW TO SUPPORT THE FUTUR: Purchase a Kit:https://www.thefutur.com/shop/ subscribe to the secret and private Master mind group on FB with bi-weekly webinars & exclusive videos not released anywhere else. Music on the show from Art-list.io http://goo.gl/22VpQi Use our Amazon Affiliate Link: http://astore.amazon.com/chrisdo-20 Buy useful design tools from Creative Market: https://creativemarket.com/?u=ChrisDo Get your business cards printed at Moo: http://www.moo.com/share/qn6x98 _________________________________________________ Need brand strategy help? Visit Blind LA’s WEBSITE: http://blind.com Jose Caballer: http://bit.ly/josecaballerTwitter Chris Do: http://bit.ly/theChrisDoTwitter Purchase a CORE Kit: http://bit.ly/myskooltools
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zachabstract (8 days ago)
Unfortunately I had to stop watching due to Jose's irrelevant and obnoxious interruptions :/ From what I saw, the content looked really informative. I just wish I could mute Jose.
zachabstract (7 days ago)
That'd be awesome! I know i'd get so much more out of the video.+The Futur
The Futur (8 days ago)
maybe I can rerecord this without him?
Ying Chu (8 days ago)
Im Home (9 days ago)
Great example! So helpful. Thanks!
Roui Francisco (13 days ago)
stop side-stepping!
Ognjen Rankovic (15 days ago)
I love your video's guys, this was just waaaay too unprofessional. I mean this should be "educational", can't focus with the teacher interrupting and "joking" all the time -.- highly annoying vid, sorry. Will just continue through your vlog...
The Futur (15 days ago)
I tried to get Jose not to interrupt so much at the time, but he can't be controlled. :)
Ognjen Rankovic (15 days ago)
+The Futur not a prob at all, just wanted to point it out. and I agree you improved over time;)
The Futur (15 days ago)
sorry buddy. this was an old video.
Isaac Sanders (19 days ago)
You guys are playing around too much!
sherlockinsomniac (24 days ago)
God that other guy is so annoying
demonmech (28 days ago)
I'm sorry but I have to click away from this video. Can't seem to focus with all the interruptions from Jose. Would have been a great tutorial
Fabian Schlott (29 days ago)
Hey guys! Lots of appreciation!! THX. One short question: How long does the process take from nothing to the point you start designig the actual deliverables?
Fabian Schlott (29 days ago)
​+The Futur Sure! But that would have also been my guess. Thak you!
The Futur (29 days ago)
It depends on how quickly clients approve each stage. But it could take 4-8 weeks.
Niall Warde (1 month ago)
The other guy needs to STFU. You're not funny!
Kanani Miranda (1 month ago)
the Brand Gap is a great book!
MrRuidiaz (1 month ago)
Estevan Candel (1 month ago)
Is the other guy drunk or something? So awkward...
The Futur (1 month ago)
Lol. No. That’s his normal state.
Julian Ospina (1 month ago)
Let Chris talk.... very rude and immature man
blue berry (1 month ago)
Marcel (1 month ago)
This video needs a remake, without jose
Christina Paritsi (1 month ago)
Hi! Amazing, inspiring video and I love the new logo! I would be happy if you could share with us also something more from your experience: what you would answer to a client that says to you "Yes. Ok. The new logo looks good, but it is totally different than the first one. How will my clients recognize me?" Thanks in advance!
This is treasure!
The Futur (1 month ago)
Thank you.
Matthijs Herzberg (1 month ago)
I know this is a 3-year old video, but I still have some thoughts. The first part of the video is thought-provoking and interesting. Then comes the actual logo-design, which seems... lackluster. The idea behind it, where keywords get distilled into there core (refined rustic) is so smart. But then it goes straight into a trendy logo, without considering any other options. Incorporating a fish is a no-go because... reasons? It has to be in a circle, and it has to look like all the other logos designers are pumping out on dribbble. The finished product is honestly B-grade. The lettering is sloppy (spacing, lineweight, letterforms... the specialist they hired is not very good), overall composition is cluttered with a lot of eye-dirt and not the separate elements within the logo don't speak to each other as much as they could. Not a 'my 4-year old could do it' kind of deal, but just not impressive. So, again, I found parts of this video interesting and thought-provoking but it left me feeling weird when that mediocre logo was the end result.
Tanya S. (1 month ago)
GOTCHA = take a shot.
Maria Giannakopoulou (1 month ago)
This is great and very informative, but for me it would have worked perfectly without the joke interruptions, just Chris Do presenting it. I find the off-topic comments kind of get in the way of fully enjoying this.
Hazel (2 months ago)
God, the guy is literally stopping me to watch it.... I wanna keep watching it, Chrissssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tariq Jacobs (2 months ago)
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I learnt a lot and continue learning all the time with The Futur. However I did find the host VERY ANNOYING when trying to listen to the valuable information Chris Do is sharing. Geez he just makes you want to punch him if every time he speaks - he just won't shut up! He is trying to hard to be funny - epic fail.
The Futur (2 months ago)
thanks Tariq. please realize, though it might not have been ideal, we were still figuring out our roles in the early days.
Raymund Inajada (2 months ago)
Does anyone know what font is used at the part when it says "FOR A MOMENT HE'S A KID AGAIN" ( 26:32 ) , would greatly help!
Ragland Thomas (2 months ago)
Host can u please shut your mouth for a while?
Adriana Matilde (2 months ago)
great show for sure but yes, need to work a bit on the talking part, not overlapping each other so much or it gets a bit too loud, very informative tho...love it, Chris is very eloquent and Jose likes to chat and entertain, its all good lol but need to find a way to balance that's all ...i actually would love to see you do more questions and answers so there is a space for one to talk and the other so listen kinda thing, i am just so grateful that i can learn a different perspective from you guys so thank you for taking the time to teach us something new. Keep up the amazing work. You guys are great!!!
The Futur (2 months ago)
Thank you
ocubex (2 months ago)
"The 70's called..." that really cracked me up.
Miel Baroque 1 (2 months ago)
Next workshop for that Jose guy should be: "How not to interrupt people every 5 seconds"
The Futur (2 months ago)
Martin (2 months ago)
Chris, thanks for sharing, need this a lot.
Erica Go (3 months ago)
This would have been a very informative and amazing video had it been kept professional. Hopefully, there will be less side comments and the like in the videos to come :) many thanks!
The Futur (3 months ago)
yeah. check out something from us in the last 2 years.
jason jones (3 months ago)
Is it possible to reshoot this video without Jose? It's such great information that I'd love to share with my design students, but it's difficult to follow with so many interruptions. Same content… updated video? PLEASE!
jason jones (3 months ago)
The Futur THANK YOU! Yes, same exact deck would be awesome!
The Futur (3 months ago)
Jason. maybe we need to do that. I have to dig up this deck. let me see what can be done here.
Apiyada Hirio (3 months ago)
the other guy needs to shut up
Danny Hamilton Mills (3 months ago)
Please edit out the annoying unfunny fool..who has ruined what would be a really interesting and informative vid from an intelligent guy!!!
The Futur (3 months ago)
It never occurred to me to edit jose out. Hmm.
Master Do, isn't the Nike symbol an isotype, instead of a logotpe?
The Futur (3 months ago)
I do not know.
Ade2Bee (3 months ago)
Excellent video
megan fong (3 months ago)
Loved listening to Chris and seeing his process, Jose interjecting a lot was a bit annoying though.
The Futur (3 months ago)
Jeandre Piedrahita0601 (4 months ago)
he is trying so har to keep cool
The Futur (4 months ago)
Trying my best.
Billen Yohannes (4 months ago)
Thanks for sharing. I'm only viewing this video now after 4 years since post date cause I'm a recent subscriber, but the information in this video still makes sense after 4 years. The whole "define the brand" process and transforming that into insightful images/messaging, was very inspiring to me. Hope you guys are still around. Thanks.
The Futur (4 months ago)
welcome to the channel.
Mark Gilla (4 months ago)
the co-host on left is f*cking annoying. he’s not helping at all.
Gál András (4 months ago)
Can anyone tell the guy on the left to sht the hell up already? Trying to listen to the damn content not his cringe fkin interruptions 24/7...
The Futur (4 months ago)
jose isn't on the show anymore.
Michelle Yu (4 months ago)
Chris - I have to say that I appreciate your comments on every video. You break down and analyze things in a very organized and practical way. There is no ego. It's constructive criticism that I can actually apply in business. Thank you for that. Although I do like the idea of having another person there to ask questions, I do wish Jose could have more useful commentary. He's more a distraction than an addition.
The Futur (4 months ago)
hi michelle. it's hard to find another person who can contribute but that doesn't mean i've stopped looking.
Branding Los Angeles (4 months ago)
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing
The Futur (4 months ago)
happy to.
Sergej Krynycký (4 months ago)
OMG LET THE GUY TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Valeria Barboza (4 months ago)
that guy interrupting the whole time is sooooooooo annoying. Hate it because it is important info but I just can not see this video.
The Futur (4 months ago)
try another one of our videos Valeria. something newer in the last 2 years.
Diane Lockman (5 months ago)
This was amazing! Thank you SO much, guys!
The Futur (5 months ago)
You're very welcome!
Azoz Boj (5 months ago)
Very bad new logo the old is better ...... i expected to be more attractive .
The Futur (5 months ago)
if you say so Azoz.
Bebe Urie (5 months ago)
This video had really great and informative content. It was all great information and well explained. To be honest though, the audio was a little crappy and the conversation was all over the place. Lots of interruptions where I was trying to hear information. Also the designer seemed to be quite blunt and rude at times. He didn’t have a sense of humour nor was he respectful to anything anyone else had to say. Towards the end when he was asked about how much he paid for another artist, he just bluntly said “no”. Like, I get it, you don’t want to answer the question, but you could have answered it slightly better.
Quarsh Creative (6 months ago)
I’m about to run a 2 day brand strategy workshop with a big ethical investment company and this style of process is EXACTLY the way I need to run it. I already had a feeling that this would be the kind of approach I would have to take, so having Master Do confirm this is SO damn good. ✌️
Quarsh Creative (5 months ago)
Update: My sessions were better than I could have imagined!!
Muhaddisa Shahzad (6 months ago)
Design excites me.
iaman-g (6 months ago)
Jose is that one kid in the class room.... *rolls eyes*.... lmaooo Great information though!
Juju (6 months ago)
The Futur (6 months ago)
sorry about that.
wolfthing (6 months ago)
guy n the left needs to work on not talking so much.. does have good input like asking side questions. but the comments are extraneous and unnecessary.
Natalie Bliss (7 months ago)
Thank you so much Chris. It's really amazing & helpful video. If you have any videos talk about "Design Management" or How to set a Timeline for my Branding Projects even if by hours or how many hours should i take to make Branding Project Starting from Logo till full corporate identity, web site, Social Media...etc., What's the first, Second, Third sections should be deliverable to client?. Otherwise if the client asking about the time to finish his branding so what should i answer? Thank you again
fivebythree (7 months ago)
And...you ended up with "Cheers" logo! LOL.
The Futur (7 months ago)
starduck2 (7 months ago)
You guys are very rough on oeachother! Some corrections are really out of place. It was dynamic but I could not make more of it because of too much variating information.
Andy Chan (7 months ago)
ive been on a binge of the futur videos. watching your videos always seemed to fill in more knowledge in me despite having more than 5+ years of experience under my belt. i love you guys.
Kriti Gupta (7 months ago)
Great but Jose could seriously speak half as much as he spoke.
The Futur (7 months ago)
easier said than done. ;)
Amazing, thanks for sharing your knowlledge. From Venezuela
The Futur (7 months ago)
hi venezuela!
OMG NO (7 months ago)
plagiarizer ! Went on pintrest found logo copped it, then added alot of bullshit . BIG PROPS if you can do it.
The Futur (7 months ago)
OMG NO is that your key takeaway?
Prince Bekoe (7 months ago)
it took me just two videos to fall in love with this guy
Prince Bekoe (7 months ago)
The Futur Hi
The Futur (7 months ago)
hi prince.
computer love (7 months ago)
Oh my gosh learning so much. the host is so sensitive not in a bad way he just picks up on every single little nuance in tone emotion and verbal communication. He must be a cancer.
The Futur (7 months ago)
computer love I’m a Capricorn.
berto el berto (7 months ago)
OMG this guy on the left is annoying. Don't talk anymore dude. Chris; on the right, doesnt need that rude,loud, annoying dude to his left. If it weren't for Chris being so informative, and explaining it so well I would have never watched this. Good job Chris!! Get rid of that blabber mouth!
The Futur (7 months ago)
thanks Berto. we have grown and changed so much since this video. you should check us out.
nerdwithjordans (7 months ago)
You can teach design but you can’t teach creativity
nerdwithjordans (7 months ago)
Can you share your thoughts on storage alternatives such as cloud and external?
The Futur (7 months ago)
i'm not sure i agree. i learned it. so did you.
I think there is too much dark tones in the letters of the logo, makes it hard to read
gobelenrico (7 months ago)
Hi Chris, How you came up with Refined Rustic's Bubbles from the brand attributes' phase? Same thing with Trojan Storage logo, how you came up with 3 keywords (safe, strong, secure)? Is it by asking the clients about how they visualize their identity or based on user profile or else? Thank you Chris.
gobelenrico (7 months ago)
The Futur Got it chris. Thank you so much for your reply. You teach me a lot of new things. It change my design's life my proffesional life to be better designer and person. Thank you.
The Futur (7 months ago)
I ask the clients, but then have to interpret the words to find the right combination.
kenyaful (7 months ago)
Thanks for all your videos however, I could not concentrate and could not finish this video. Jose...no comment. Lol
The Futur (7 months ago)
Jakob Bourne (8 months ago)
Connecting with more popular brands can become quite an ease when you engage in influencer marketing. If you're interested, phlanx is one of the reliable platforms for it
ArkRaider22 (8 months ago)
Great video. Question though, seeing as you had already commissioned the lettering from Oban without really showing much to the client other than his personal logo as reference, what would happen had the client requested more changes than just the hook on the O? Would you just digitally alter the lettering or have to pay Oban to re-draw with the client's changes?
Guilherme Salles (8 months ago)
Can I use some slides to make my collaborative design process with my clients??
Babajide Hassan (8 months ago)
my first video on here, I really appreciate the futur
Stanko Beronja (8 months ago)
gotcha... gotcha... gotcha.... another guy is incredible annoying, just wasting our and chris do time... pls talk much less next time...
Punit Sar (8 months ago)
Great video, but the other guy is blabbering in between and ruining the entire video. If you really want x number of views plz concentrate on your quality. Automatically it will reach that level.
The Futur (8 months ago)
this was over 3 years ago. check out our new videos.
James James (9 months ago)
men that was nice
graceoverall (9 months ago)
The logo looks great and all, but to someone unfamiliar with the brand, they would have NO idea what the heck Ole's is without more carefully looking at that very busy logo. For me, there's just too much clutter and it's not immediately obvious what the brand is all about. IMO, the Salmon logo at the end (26:21) was better, lol.
Sillas Lucena (9 months ago)
This video changed my mindset about how to build a trademark and how to condense de idea for the brand itself! Thanks guys
The Futur (9 months ago)
You are very welcome!
Sneha R (9 months ago)
Genius presentation guys thank you so much!!
Dave T (9 months ago)
I wish Jose took making this video as seriously as I did viewing it. Great video with valuable information, but with many unnecessary and pointless interruptions.
Louis Stilling (9 months ago)
Great content professionally explained by Chris Do, but it is very frustrating having Jose interrupting all the time.
Nick (9 months ago)
jose, just shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Stardust Mine Jewellery (9 months ago)
STOP INTERRUPTING Jose. Video seems interesting except all distractions, really hard to focus on actual information. Too much self enjoying.
Amanda Williams (9 months ago)
This video is so insightful! You guys are my idols!
The King Kurls (9 months ago)
I just wish there was less interpretations. This was very informative.
The Futur (9 months ago)
andreacoli (10 months ago)
Thank you, very interesting, great content...just find a way to have the guy on the left to shut the f*** up pls ;-)
The Futur (10 months ago)
we figured out a solution. he's not on the show anymore. not you just have the guy on the right to deal with. ;)
Frank's TV (10 months ago)
Please stop interrupting and let your guest deliver his presentation.
Simo Jandie (10 months ago)
Great knowledge put out here. You guys do great stuff, but you need to rethink your presentation style. U always sleep off. It get's really boring with the too much talking, and the echoes make it really tiring. Nevertheless, keep it going!
Jaime Saret (10 months ago)
The other guy is annoying...sounds not serious about the topic
Bryan (10 months ago)
Best pre christmas video i've seen 🙌🙌
Vitor Rossetto (10 months ago)
The topic is really relevant and interesting, but the guy in the left side is so annoying that I couldn't finish watching the video.
SACTICAL BAG (11 months ago)
I had to stop cause the guy on the left is a clown
JCD (11 months ago)
I love listening to you because there is always so much to learn from your videos, but I have to agree with others commenting about Caballer. I love joking around like anyone else but this video was neither the time or place for his excessive clowning. Totally annoyed by the first minute of viewing.
The Futur (11 months ago)
yeah. sorry about that.
Rukan Malas (11 months ago)
thank you
Equanimity Arts (11 months ago)
I would buy that shirt. really dope design!
Raheel Ahsan (11 months ago)
The other guy should Shut the fuck up !!!!! He ruined a perfectly nice video. Please ask him to not be in the video or simply shut up.
Patrick Wodstrcil (11 months ago)
Interesting...This Video is now 3 years old and shows right now an interesting aspect: It is way to easy to fall for Zeitgeist vs. timelessness. The behance examples may looked interesting and fresh in 2014 BUT their hipster look became totally overused and old-fashion today. From a technical view the new one is made awesome...aaaaabsolutly no doubt about it...BUT it turned a poorly made unique logo into a well made copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy thing. Roll back the time: In 2014 it would have been great but only 1000 days later, the freshness is gone. Let's compare: Nike-Swash...timeless, McDonalds...timelessness in the M, Apple...the apple became an icon! Let's take the value of Ole's logo and take some steps back - how long would you be able to spot that Ole's got something to do with fish? On my 27" Mac the "fishing" is already not really readable on std youtube videosize sitting only 2 ft away - the fish fine 5 yards away. No question, the old one needs work...rework. The fish is his golden M, so reshape and simplify the M and don't turn it into a D. Peace :)
Patrick Wodstrcil (11 months ago)
Surely I noticed that it is the only one like this on your site as far as I reached yet. To me it is a cornucopia of knowledge an inspiration - period! I'm not binge watching it; I'm giving the information room to develop. I really want to keep learnng, so I want to scrutinize everything 'til it it makes absolute sense. I'm a skateboarder since I was a teen in late 80s and I like stuff like you did for Ole's, so don't get me wrong. My heart beats for this subcultural stuff...the boldness of powell-peralta, the Jim Phillips stuff for S.C., influencing not only boarders but also labels like Fat-Wreck and Epitaph. I'm with you about Helvetica Neue and surely it is overused like every good thing after a while, but it's playing in my opinion like futura a different game. H.N. is so clear, so tidy and so reduced to the essentials, that this became second nature for big corps. If you compare logo-design with music then Helvetica is the Gibson Les Paul and Futura the Fender Strat. They are gold standards. Agency's work is therefore comparable with a custom shop LP or Strat and so the message is clear: "We are a serious company, our structure is optimized and our products are reliable. We maybe used to be garage brands in our early days, but those days are long gone. We learned our lesson and became the same kind of gold standard you could trust like the font" It contains the value for the leftbrainers. Take Chanel for example. They barely use the CC anymore and focus on the rudiment of the name and the font. A pure "there is no room for not knowing us!" The emotional rightbrainers message you get with the rest of their marketing vocabulary - pure art, pure tradition of distilling luxury to the elixir and absolut dedication to craftsmanship - everything about identity and deeper values. They also don't chase fashion and trends...they create 'em. By this they create a self fulfilling prophecy. I'm still convinced that the hipster-logo thing will become an other kind of blinking GIF soon, but of cause it is my opinion and so it doesn't matter - what really matters is the customer. Everything what makes him feel better makes his work feel better to his customer. :)
The Futur (11 months ago)
i don't chase fashion. i don't really care about trends. i do what is right for each client. if you'll notice on our site, it's the only logo that we've done that looks like that. sometimes, a client calls for something vernacular. i don't avoid something just because other people are using it. it's the same thing when people tell me "helvetica is played out". it's overused. i guess we all get to do whatever we think is right which is the beautiful part of life. i'll stick my philosophy. it has served me well.
Patrick Wodstrcil (11 months ago)
First of all: Thank you very much for your answer. On Herschel: Fashion got two main directions of brands: Firecrackers and Evergreens. Herschel is a firecracker (founded 2009) and gone soon like Ecko or Ed Hardy before - "soon" in dimensions of Levis, Nike or Chanel of cause. Even Diesel dropped the retro indian stuff for a bold sans direction. Some may say "that's not Diesel any more" but on the other side is the rebel-age (1990-2010) a bit done. In this context the central element (name and swosh) is absolutely timeless and north american like baseball, mounties and popcorn. I visited their website and spottet there this bare text'n'swash logo usage which could be done clean, chalkstyle, vintage...beautiful! The swash "could be" considered to become a fishing hook's fluke at the end as a simplification of an element of fishing, but please don't get me wrong "could" not "should". My critique targeted more the now typical overused hipster composition and not central typographical element. Surely an S&P 500 logo is not suitable for a fishing lodge. I got your costumer a bit wrong and in my thoughts located a bit more suburban. But what makes this logo unique? What was on my mind was that "just another startup" thing; retro logos like that got a renaissance with the hipster movement. Soon every stocklogo designer pushed it a little bit more with their 500+ logo packages and this logos became standard for this time like pictures of railroads in 80's alternative cd booklets. Two out of three new companies used something like that - and most of them poorly. So there are countless companies out there with swashes and handlettered retro letters in circles. Were is the unique "hook"...like the mermaid of Starbucks, the bunny of playboy, the smily in LG's, the bite like in Apple's, the negative space arrow of FedEx...? Sorry for the question, but I don't get it. Long story short: I'm totally with you about the decades for the central but in 5 years the circledesign will be...hmmm... Thanx for your time.
The Futur (11 months ago)
hi patrick. ole's isn't about fish or fishing. it's actually about the family that started a wonderful family tradition and shared it with others. hand lettering will never go out of style because it already is. it's a throwback that predates digital. i don't agree with your summary. the clients are happy with the mark and i imagine it won't need to be reworked for decades (if ever). look at Herschel supply Co. and other retro brands. we weren't trying to go retro because it was hip or cool. we did it because that's what was true and authentic to their brand values.
Kuda Ngw (11 months ago)
T shirt Guy makes the video useless.Let the real Designer talk.Fuck!!Shut up!!!!!!!!!Wanna be Tai Lopez
Ciara Elizabeth (1 year ago)
The guy on the left is really distracting.
The Futur (1 year ago)
he can be. but he wasn't trying to be.
David Gonzalez (1 year ago)
That´s really great! thank you to do this videos.
Gloria Jean (1 year ago)
Little respect by interrupting and overbearing by the host....why invite a speaker if you want to be the know-it-all
The Futur (1 year ago)
we are actually co-hosts, but i think jose was trying to bring some comedy to the presentation. but it didn't work out.
Cynthia H (1 year ago)
That’s so cool
Waqas Ahmed (1 year ago)
Master Do. haha.

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