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John Barrett (1 month ago)
Worthless degrees/to begin with. And less you’re going to college for engineering mathematics or some kind of science you’re spending a fortune to get a minimum wage job!
TEX VET1 (1 year ago)
I find a lot of those on here bitching about their degree funny, I didn't have the money for college, served 8 years active duty but because I had a break in service and they changed the college program between that break I got nothing for college because congress forgot to include prior service, not to worry, I became self educated and worked my way up to a $100K a year salary. You don't need college, you need ambition, drive, dedication, motivation. If you want it bad enough nothing will stop you unless you live you life by "CAN'T" , can't can't do anything but YOU can do everything, that is unless you expect a $60K a year job with zero experience and you feel you don't have to pay your dues because "you went to college". ROFL, I guess that is the difference between generations, my generation wanted it, worked for it and got it, younger generations want it and therefore deserve it.
Roman-IQ (2 years ago)
sounds like devry
Maddix Roberts (3 years ago)
Why would anyone get student loans. Serve your country and then get your degree, you entitled fucks.
Frost (2 years ago)
Yes because signing up to kill yourself for the elite and corporations that own everything including even the private paid off land and homes people now are forced to rent from them through land taxes just so you can earn a worthless piece of paper that won't get you any work is patriotic. Fuck the military you fascist prick! We are entitled to an education and a job so we can feed cloth and house ourselves! FYI joking the military is living off the government too! What's the fucking difference whether you join or not!? Lmfao
Steven Brown (3 years ago)
go in the army/ what is a job/ do you know /why work/ go back to school longer/ buy a house/ why buy a house
Spartaculus Jones (4 years ago)
The problem is not colleges or vocational schools and whether they are legitimate or not.  The problem is AMERICAN EMPLOYERS who are on a juggernaut to computerize, internet-outsource, H1-B visa in-source and robotize every job that they can get their greedy little hands on.
Tea Tea (8 months ago)
Its the future
Michael Beerbados (1 year ago)
your full of Leftist Liberal SHIT.  College degrees in psychology and gender studies and 50 more useless applications are NOT getting you a job. And parents and professors teaching privilege and safe space theory to these millenials will ruin them. A 2  year trades program will GUARANTEE you a job and the wages in trades are excellent because most young people want to text for a living and not get their hands dirty.. MAGA !!
Erik K (4 years ago)
Can I sue the University of California? My engineering degree was largely worthless to me also.
Yey man. Engineering is no where near worthless and i'm not even talking measly 25-40k jobs, more like 65k-80k. From one engineer to another - I don't know what your doing, but your doing something wrong.
+Erik K get in touch with a recruiting agency. Your degree experience is more valuable than you think it is. At this point, it's about the right connections.
canadate123 (4 years ago)
+Erik K Engineering degree ? you should have job offers pouring in.
Sam Tuesday (4 years ago)
That totally sucks cause I thought medical and computers were fields in demand.  I would be really pissed.  I imagine some of them really didn't even like what they were going for in the first place but did it thinking at least it will be marketable enough to not be a waste of money.  I guess not. I guess just go to school for computer software engineering only and if that's not your cup of tea the first place then just get a job and work instead of treading water.
sandinyourshoes (4 years ago)
I would think that the nursing program would work well.  The health-care field tends to have more openings.  Most business-degree programs are too general to really be of any help.
23magneta (2 years ago)
The reputation of the nursing program matters quite a bit. Before enrolling in any sort of degree program, it's a good idea to speak with a variety of employers to learn about a particular school's reputation and whether they hire graduates from that school.
Francisco BANEZ (4 years ago)
you don't say
jovan james (5 years ago)
if that happened to me iam burning the school down no questions no ifs and or butts
Michael 3:16 (4 months ago)
+DDrummer metaphorically, I'm sure.
jason avina (5 years ago)
If a toothpaste company said their toothpaste will fight cavities and make your gums healthier and you bought it, then it didn't do any of that, I guess you're the idiot then!
jason avina (5 years ago)
Wow, so a college lies about what it offers, tells students they'll get jobs, and gives them useless degrees and all you commenters blame the students. Not everyone is a straight A student, but if you pay that much for school and graduate with a decent gpa you deserve a fair chance at using that degree. And to call the students idiots or whatever, is just wrong.
Naisho07 (5 years ago)
The problem is that Colleges are more about business than education. They almost promise a job after you graduate so you will spend the thousands on their tuition. After spending all the money you might even expect a job. The problem is the overly inflated price of college and enticing students with promises of jobs. If you have a reasonable priced tuition and graduate with little to no debt, then the urgency to find a job is not as strong as it is when you have $60-100K of debt coming due.
Heather Walt (5 years ago)
If it was worthless, why would they go to these universities for years to get them?
Michael Beerbados (1 year ago)
because mommy  and daddy are paying and they don't actually have to "toil" for 4-6 years.
anthonyusaajr1 (5 years ago)
It does not matter if you go to a private, private for-profit, state-run, or federal run university. Degrees are worthless today and so are the education levels at all of these schools!! Bashing for-profit schools is biased! If you are going to bash these schools, bash the government run schools as well, because they are no better!! If you want to be productive, get a trade or go to a community college and do something that has a purpose for yourself and your nation!!
anthonyusaajr1 (5 years ago)
Liberal arts degrees are worthless. You left-wing attitude toward our economy is what is the problem with liberals!!
Shani Saunders (5 years ago)
You could get a vocational degree and do something more specialized like plumbing, radiology technician, or respiratory therapist. They are making more than a great deal of college grads.
tom11zz884 (5 years ago)
You missed my point Einstein.
tom11zz884 (5 years ago)
Actually Sherlock, students from well name colleges and universities across the country are having a hell of a time finding work, and are saying that their degrees are worthless. Students from small schools and large, well known schools, are dealing with this issue. America is in a crisis.
Megalodon64 (5 years ago)
Fuck my parents keep pushing me very hard to go to college. I don't want to go but they keep pushing me and I dont want to. All I want is to have a decent job. If I dont get one after I graduate, im gonna say fuck it and I will burn my degree.
MyPacificRidge (5 years ago)
My sons gratitude from UCLA and $60,000 later they cant find jobs. He started a funny animation "JimmyVsWorld-Job hunting episode". It is a funny video. Our education system is sad these days
zwoele pony (5 years ago)
my left ear is very mad...
Paulelele (5 years ago)
Well, if you treat your degree as a piece of paper, obviously it's going to be worth a piece of paper. If you actually took your schooling seriously, as an opportunity to develop discipline, learning and critical thinking skills, network with others, and gain experiences (not just knowledge), I think it's worth more than that. People seem to think a degree is a one way ticket to a job. It's not. It's one of the many tools you can use to aid you in getting a job, and many don't use it right.
The Cult Collector Guy (5 years ago)
I have a 1st in English language and literature BA (hons) guess what? NO JOB! It's time we took a sledge hammer to capitalism. It doesn't work. It not what you know, it's who you know!!!!!!
I have a MA in English
Michael Beerbados (1 year ago)
GUESS WHAT.. we all speak English..so you have a degree in that?  we can all read a book..so you have a degree in that?  why won't people look at the job market that is AVAILABLE and take courses in that?  fucking retards
TEX VET1 (1 year ago)
and you think socialism would be better? explain how and give current examples of countries were socialism is working in the manner you say it would.
dargay (5 years ago)
excellent point. The only drawback is that a dental hygienists will remain at the same position and pay for next 40 years.
YeshuaisShekinah (5 years ago)
This is every degree from every college. completely worthless unless you plan on working in a lab. The old saying goes "Those who can do, those who can not teach", Do you really want to learn from those who can not.
decimated550 (6 years ago)
you said "shitful". thanks - i've never seen that word before LOL. You've enriched my life! I'm going to use it myself.
MrGoatflakes (6 years ago)
wot? I'm guessing these kids are either poor as shit or underachievers to go to such an obviously shitful "university"
MrGoatflakes (6 years ago)
BSc or BAppSc or GTFO. Unless study at Cambridge or Oxford, then you can get a BA
Masticina Akicta (6 years ago)
Ah a non accredited school. Yes..
Jays Words (6 years ago)
they interviewed students that went to a school called "Miami Jacobs College" you can't seriously believe that your degree would be worth much
drearydancer (6 years ago)
you are very ignorant. dental hygienists, physical therapist assistants, and respiratory therapists are all good paying jobs that only require an associates.
Ghostman80 (6 years ago)
ok cool thanks
Ghostman80 (6 years ago)
What are you trying to say?
FR3DisGAY (6 years ago)
You are brainwashed.
killerpriest17 (6 years ago)
Yes,the piece of paper the degree is printed on is worthless.The education is not.Sounds to me like a couple of students trying to get a free ride.
Ghostman80 (6 years ago)
Are Assoicate of Applied Science degrees any good?
DDrummer (4 months ago)
They are very good degrees. They get you in the workforce for sure.
Castrito (6 years ago)
dude, i honestly don't know how to ADD people on youtube. i just go on, watch some videos, normally mind my own business. add me & if i see a notification then i'll accept. i actually enjoyed chatting with you
Castrito (6 years ago)
same here. i like discussing things in person and/or online. i didn't have answers for everything you posted until i took a minute to think...always good for me to take a step back and remember why i think the way that i do. solving problems is awesome...just make sure you help more people than you hurt. ;)
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
also cast if its not a problem I would like to add you as a friend..incease I have any questions about engineering or if you could get me in with DOD when I get my BS when I am 30 =D
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
alright I will look into what it takes to draft a bill like that..I appreciate our conversation it is nice to have different perspectives and other ways of looking at things...lol true I don't think it will change through you tube comments either but I I am trying to spread a different message..one that is NOT about blaming people but about solving the problems..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I agree with that a hundred percent..
Castrito (6 years ago)
i'm not joking. start drafting a bill, have someone proofread & work out the kinks. find out what it takes to change the system. get supporters. it can happen. taking action to change something isn't fanciful...thinking it will change by youtube posting is.
Castrito (6 years ago)
doctors will always in be in high demand because not everyone can handle the stress of staying awake 36+ hrs & still focus 100%. also, not everyone is smart enough to comprehend & retain the information they do with close to 100% accuracy. only the strong survive. 2 of my close friends are doctors. it's no joke what they have to go through. at that point it's not about $ it's about human capability. prices also high cause of malpractice lawsuits (they practice on people in order to learn)
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
but there is reasoning behind this fanciful thinking you must understand that if there is a demand for something like cheaper schools, it will succeed in passing the required regulations..the sad part is that it takes a lot of time to pass required regulations..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I think you are asking the wrong questions instead of asking weather a doctor should take out 300k loans we should first ask why it costs 300k to go through medical school..limited supply/resource + high demand =high price..low demand + high supply=low price.
Castrito (6 years ago)
most kids that have absurd loans (like 15 of my friends) are terrified way before they graduate. most don't take it for granted. also, doctors rack up loans around $300K. some drop out & have to pay it all back on non-doctor pay. should all doctors not coin-flip their lives? we'd live in a very sad world if only few people took the chance of becoming doctors. some fail most pass & everyone else benefits from doctors existing. most doctors start off as average students who work hard
Castrito (6 years ago)
if you want to redesign the whole system...awesome! draft a well-written bill that allows for unlimited lectures & forward it to me so i can sign it in support. have our mandated, yet free, education (K-12) be applied to 2 years of college material. that way, most will be free from forced education around 20 yrs old but they will be more qualified for a better position. I'll sign that bad boy in a heartbeat. until then, don't advocate the removal of funding from average, poor people (young me)
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
well If i feel I am not learning and getting my investments worth there is an incentive for me to drop out before I spend MY money where as the guy getting a loan will be inclined to finish up because its not his money and s/he does not fully appreciate how much is actually spent on his investment
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I see your point..the advantage goes to smarter wealthy individuals. but in trying to equalize college for every one prices sky rocket because college is not cheap and college resources are limited..economically due to the information age I think (fancifully XD) the cost of college will go down with the advent of things like the khan academy making some resources unlimited such as lectures by highly qualified people. peer to peer learning will also help and course/degree qualification testing
Castrito (6 years ago)
not everyone can do it but everyone can get an education & open opportunities. if you don't you're like guaranteed stuck working at mcdonalds. u referenced Bill Gates earlier. he went to college, learned then dropped out to pursue his empire. without an education he would have been nowhere. he coin-flipped his future....everyone does everyday. how do you know your system will work? can you guarantee it? if it fails wouldn't you have wasted $20K? you'd be $20K poorer & still at valet. coin-flip
Castrito (6 years ago)
if companies in the USA paid for people to learn...then no problem. but this is fanciful thinking...didn't i say you do this a lot? the only skills companies are willing to give you are the ones they need. they will not pay for you education unless you bring something to the table. my company pays 70% for my Master's but i had to come into this company with a Bachelors (something i could not have gotten without grants).
Castrito (6 years ago)
again, top of class at Yale will get chosen over top of class at College of Southern NV (if everything else is exactly the same). yes, work harder & pay for Yale after u got your BA i understand, now that guy with a job is making tons more $ than you while you're still paying for Yale. when u finish he will of had 2-3 raises and you're just starting the position he left 5 years ago. btw...he already finished paying off his debt thy this time because of his amazing paying jobs & raises
Castrito (6 years ago)
i see your point but expensive clothes is luxury while education is essential in the Informed Age. education is an investment that usually pays off. if everyone but the wealthy worked hard for a college education then average degrees would take 10 years, people would graduate in their late 20's, then start making entry level $. Wealthy people would start 6 years earlier & by their late 20's already have several promotions...u don't see a separation of classes?
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
this is the problem you are thinking about education as something you get from a school when in fact you use to be taught skills by others. did you know Singapore has NO MINIMUM WAGE LAWS and yet citizens on average make more than Americans do they are trained by the industry and have something called skilled labor..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I am actually saying that it is in my interest to choose a cheap school because I am paying for it. rather than some one getting a loan to go to 100 k school therefore I only spent maybe 10-20 grand for a B.A
Castrito (6 years ago)
but if no one takes the chance then we'll all be working at mcdonalds...smart or not. people should be responsible but a gamble needs to be made. you're gambling right now by giving some of your hard earned $ & to a community college. r u sure it will pay off? No. nothing is certain. it might take u 15 yrs to finish & u still might not get hired. all that $ spent on college is equivalent to someone taking a loan & having to pay it back after college. u both spent $100K for college.
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I applaud you for making it out of where you came from..I am glad you found your inner strength and over came your surrounding variables..BUT your saying that every one can do this when this is obviously not the case. 4.7 million people are indebted to the state because of people like your self who said go to college and see how well you do..coin flipping on your future is not responsible.. people should be responsible and try and work there way through CHEAPER colleges. so prices come down
Castrito (6 years ago)
true. it is sad & true that kids think of consequences late. one way or the other they have a degree & get more options. if they don't take the chance they're stuck at mcdonalds. prices might be lower if we took your route but we would have a much heavier population of uneducated civilians or a very large, yet still uneducated, military. i cannot now, nor ever, advocate the lack of education...like you suggest some non-smart, handy kids should do
Castrito (6 years ago)
you're right. work full time to pay for college, try to stay awake in class & still focus on projects, hws, & tests. i'm sure there's no difference between a well rested student and one who barely gets 4 hrs of sleep trying to juggle life & school. sink or swim. rich kids don't need to worry about work. they get an extra 40hrs/week to do whatever (study, rest). whether i go to community or private without grants/loans i still have to suffer 40hrs extra a week...good luck to poor kids.
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
thats not what I am saying at all sir.. I am saying people should be responsible because it does not always turn out like how it turned out for you..I am saying I would rather be responsible then reckless..you are saying people should gamble thousands of dollars for the sake of MAYBE they will get an OK job maybe they wont..that does not sound responsible that sounds reckless and putting people into bad to worse situations..
Castrito (6 years ago)
1st impression, "it took this guy 15 yrs to get act together while it takes most 4 yrs...lazy?" so, you do think that only smart people/rich people should go to college? cool. enough said. (you should give money to scholarships or donate to charitable organizations that help SMART STUDENTS). those who struggle in HS but are very determined & poor & can can one day design radars for DOD...suck it!
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
yes I understand...when you take out loans you are ruining college prices for every one by taking out loans. think about it if you could take out loans for clothes you would by the most expansive ones and think about it later.. case and point credit card debt in this country is about 1 trillion dollars.. what that does is create artificial demand and makes clothes more expansive. harder to get the resources to make clothes..
Castrito (6 years ago)
and this post is advocating mediocrity & settling. "hey guys, you may or may not make it in the world as a successful person if you go to college but i can guarantee that if you work for mcdonalds you will have some $. After years of servitude, you may or may not be manager making slightly better wages then when you started at close to minimum wage. don't take a chance at being smart...stay with mcdonalds because you're probably not college material...don't even try to find out"
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
if you truly want to try out college then you go to a community college..you don't need to take out 14 grand to go to a private school..simple..just because you want other people like your self to find college is not a good excuse to put other people who are not fit for college into ridiculous amounts of debt on the governments tab..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
If you want to help people you should give money to scholarships or donate to charitable organizations that help smart students..not to the overly bloated U.S government that needs to slim down on its debts..1 trillion dollars of student debt loans who knows if the government will be able to pay china back for all the money they have given us..lazy? why on earth would they think that..it takes a lot of dedication to change ur life path later in life
Castrito (6 years ago)
so, it's better for everyone to play it safe? if that's your option then we should all just be mcdonald employees because my 2 valet buddies are very smart just sucks that the economy is bad. or should college education only be reserved for geniuses & wealthy? btw, u do realize that by paying for college by yourself while going to college & taking 15 years is almost exactly the same as going to college on loans then taking 10 yrs to pay it off? either way you're taking 15 yrs to pay for college
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
it is very easy to gamble with money you were given too for free..yes and in some cases they also shut doors..my main point-when some one is given money for free they often do not think about the consequences until it is to late.that is the sad flip side to the other side of the coin..and it often creates higher prices for every one else..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
talk about a harsh game of Russian roulette..maybe you get a job or maybe you will be in debt for the rest of your life or a good portion of it..talk about modern day slavery to the US government..and for what to give some people a chance to MAYBE get a job after college? that sounds more impractical then my ideas..
Castrito (6 years ago)
i only worked construction, landscaping, delivery, hotel, restaurant, etc...so i am a very handy person. that's all i knew. if i took your method i would have said, "eh, i'm probably not college material, i'll just keep doing what i do at very low wages". I'm glad i don't think like you. i would have never given myself the opportunity.
Castrito (6 years ago)
i agree with you! i stated this earlier. college is not for everyone. but how does an individual know he's not college material unless s/he goes? i, honest to God, thought i would never go to college because my entire family thought it's for geniuses & filthy rich people. i only found out i'm truly college material when i got grants to go to college. i tried it out since it's free money & realized, "it's tough but definitely doable." now here i am. i was given an opportunity
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
lol buy a fan and some solar panels...I agree 100% with human advancement but putting people into debt is not the solution for people who are not relatively smart and were better off going into the restaurant business..Its hard to have a nation of thinkers when not everyone is a thinker..some people are good with their hands some people are good with other people..such things do not need to be learned in college but as apprentices or in the business itself
Castrito (6 years ago)
i'm not saying you're wrong about stupid degrees & how it hurts people. but don't cut funding for those who need it & can make a huge difference in their lives. how do u choose? you don't. give people opportunity, a chance. if it pays off. cool. if not, sucks but pay back the $ either way. USA will get $ back. every individual who has a school loan is like a private piggy bank for the USA who collects interest. I just hope the person made smart choices, if not then you suffer.
Castrito (6 years ago)
u didn't read my other post before replying to this one, did u? most majors are useless. i have 3 friends that couldn't find jobs for 1.5 years. 2 others that still work valet with a civil engineering degree. just cause it doesn't work out for all doesn't mean it's not worth it. it's a gamble & it usually pays off. there are wannabe entrepreneurs that waste their wholes lives away & ambitious men who only become mcdonald managers. it goes both ways. degrees open many door...gives options
Castrito (6 years ago)
yup, i'm sure you'll contribute a whole lot when you're looking for a job in your 30's as an engineer (since it'll take you 15 yrs). I'm sure they'll hire a possibly lazy 30 yr old over a typically eager 22 yr old. that's how companies usually work. oh, i don't want something for nothing. i WANT to pay more in taxes & give back to the next generation of intellects. i needed help & got it now i want to help. just like parents take care of kids, when kids grow up they take care of their kids.
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
u make it seem that every college degree translates to a job right out of college well let me tell you a majority of degrees are useless right out of college.my sister got a masters in teaching she is currently unemployed 2 years and still in debt.she worked smarter and what did she get?chains.so just because things worked out for u because you chose a relatively healthy sector does not mean anything.according to the BLS 4.7 million of the 9 million unemployed went to college so much for smarter
Castrito (6 years ago)
i don't think i ever mentioned that I believe most majors are useless (business, art, history, women's studies, etc...) I would personally only give grants to certain majors (all engineering, all sciences, etc...) but then we get into a bigger debate, "Why isn't my major considered useful? So, it's either all or none. However, i know people w/bullsh!it degrees who got hired in another field & make more $ than me only because they have a degree (doesn't matter what kind). degrees open many doors
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
outdated? I guess indebtedness and slavery is a new fad.. I think it highly impracticable to get people to go to college not every one is a genius and what happens to the guy who does not do so well with 100k debt? obviously debt is no solution to poverty especially because there are people out there that think women's lit/ Greek history/ criminal justice is going to get them a job right out of college
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
when robots take over the work force I would agree with you but for now we need people doing what I do..being a school custodian..I think its funny that you think I am settling for less..because I do aspire to be an engineer.. if it takes me 15 years i will do it. the problem with people like you is that you want something for nothing and the world does not work like that if anything you are living in an impracticable world if you believe putting ppl into debt is the best thing for every one.
Castrito (6 years ago)
LOL! I was thinking of doing the same thing. Then i realized, "Wait! I live in the real world where it's 98 degrees at 2am." Again, more harder, not smarter thinking. No worries, I know your method works...i do. my 3 older siblings did what you advocate & are managers at box offices, restaurants, & movie theaters. they work hard all day for rest of life, i work smart. totally doable. i just prefer to have a nation of thinkers & improve human life as opposed to settlers & slow human advancement.
Castrito (6 years ago)
ya, work harder not smarter...like we're still in the Industrial Age. I get it. Good for you! I have no doubt in my mind you're going to be successful working harder not smarter. side note, i was debt free immediately after college, got a chance to buy a house immediately late 2009, all because of grants from the USA. my life changed from apartment dwelling, hotel manager to house owning, Electrical Engineer making radars for DOD. I'm out. It's hard talking to someone not living in the present
Castrito (6 years ago)
i'm starting to realize that your thoughts are really outdated. now i know why you think the way you do. on top of that you're an idealist thinking that theory & practice go hand in hand. it's alright, it's not your fault. you haven't been introduced to the lives of a certain group. i know from personal experience what could & could not happen if you're extremely motivated to be smart but have NO funding. I'm glad we have financial aid or i would not be where i am today. i'd be a hotel manager.
Castrito (6 years ago)
ya, i see what you're saying. a lot of people dream of being a manager of mcdonalds. i'm sure your friend wakes up every morning with pride saying, "i'm proud to manage mcdonalds". You advocate "settling for less", "mediocrity", "tough labor" like we're still in the Industrial Age. i'm sure you'll teach your children that one day, "eh, just be a manager of a retail store since you cannot pay for college". I advocate intelligence because we live in the Informed Age (work smarter not harder)
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I am sure with a lot of effort this type of person could get a FEW good scholarships..become an RA and get free rent. If some one only has book smarts what makes you think that he will be the guy to invent anything of great value? you have to be able to persuade people that your ideas are worth investing in. do you think bill gates sat around twiddling his thumbs while reading books? NO he was going Door to door persuading people that Microsoft was the best operating system there was
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
well I am talking about restaurants/corporate latter you do not need to be an engineer for every good job. you could make 30-40k for being a manager at McDonalds/burger-king my friend was a manager there and paid off his Saint Johns tuition..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
well Nevada it is legal to live in a van/RV NO RENT EXCEPT CAR INSURANCE you could live on the Mormon diet which would cost you 300-400 on food a YEAR and you could live pretty healthy on that diet. I think with creativity and lateral thinking you could do it. I am not saying it would be easy I am just saying it is possible i know some one who is living in there car. and actually thought about it myself. maybe have to ask some friends or fam for help once and a while with the difference on bill
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
well that is something I and others in my situation have to go through.no body said life was easy.I also do not think it is responsible taking out 100 k to go into women literature.I also don't think it is right to be owed a job at the end of an engineering degree lets say you get a 2.39 a C+ in MIT cant get a job for 3 years,interest on loan goes up to 150k takes you 3 years to pay off IF you get the job you were trained for.then add in the 4 years for the B.S you are looking at a good 10 years
Castrito (6 years ago)
i apologize for misreading your solution. I agree 100% with that solution i wish it could be done that way. unfortunately, Ivy Leagues are private companies & government can't force them to make tests that will bypass their program. also have to worry about questions & answers being distributed online. also, companies would have to accept this form of degree...might take a while but it might catch on. it's an idealist theory & therefore a longshot.
Castrito (6 years ago)
cutting financial help to those who can't afford it is taking away opportunity. again, a lot of positions will not even look at your resume if you don't have a related degree. also again, i know people can be equally as successful without a degree but in the real world...those odds are much less. if you think otherwise, then hey that's your thing. third again, what if you have no other skill besides book smarts? i know a few people like this. work harder, not smarter? good thing to teach :)
Castrito (6 years ago)
you can work up the chain but some positions are NOT available to you unless you have a degree. My company will not hire anyone unless s/he has an engineering degree (good look working up the chain when you can't even start). Oh, you can do something different in life instead of being an engineer? well then, i hope you have another skill besides being ridiculously math inclined. What if that is honestly your only skill? you could have helped designed instant teleportation but you're too poor.
Castrito (6 years ago)
totally agree! one COULD take 6 years paying for B.A. because s/he has to work full time & only part time classes (try working full time & full time school for 4 years & watch how you burn out), get an ok job, take another 4 yrs for Master's at Yale (10 yrs to get the same position you could get in 4 if government helps out). also, you have to account for life accidents like Torn ACL, death in family, car accident...you & insurance have to pay (might take a bit longer than 10 yrs). Of course
Castrito (6 years ago)
it's not a conspiracy it's just a result of your desired actions. when you say "you could pay your way through"...not everyone could. Random # but maybe top 80% could or do u think bottom 10% could have done it (pay rent, bills, tuition, food, etc)? Reason i have my thoughts is because I wouldn't have been able to afford $1.5K in books & $4K in tuition every semester & i stayed in state at CSN. That's $1.57K every month, @ NV min wage that's more than one makes a month (gross $1320).
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
I am glad we agree on that point. who says I want to take away opportunity I just see that college is not the only avenue for success..some people are so smart they do not need college. they can literally learn from text books. College should not be the only avenue for success another solution is have Harvard/yale/MIT level tests that any one can take and if they pass multiple tests for a degree to show that they have competency they should be able to get a Harvard/Yale/MIT degree
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
who says you have to stop going to college after your bachelors degree? get a B.A from a state college get an ok paying job. go back to Yale and pay your way through for a masters.if ultimately a person is really smart they are going to be smart later in life regardless of what college they went to.problem is your seeing college as the only way of making a lot of money when in reality you could be an entrepreneur, or WORK YOUR WAY UP IN A COMPANY success usually finds the smartest ppl anyway..
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
why do you have this us vs them mentality? the rich are not secretly conspiring to keep the poorest people out.college in the 50's-80's was affordable you could pay your way through. it started getting expansive in the 90's..when Clinton was in office because of government loans and financial aid bill believed every one should get a college education on the governments tab..it started to sky rocket when bush was in office..because bush perpetuated what bill started.its called ARTIFICIAL DEMAND..
Castrito (6 years ago)
not all people should go to college, not all people should go to a very expensive college...i agree with you. but you want to take all opportunity away from those few who should go to a great college because they are actually the smartest but they just happen to have 6 bro/sis with 1 parent who works just over min wage & can't afford it. i agree that the system is messed up but your solution isn't even a decent answer. I don't have a decent answer, which is why I don't just say randomness.
Castrito (6 years ago)
Experience is amazingly necessary. There isn't anything wrong with going to a state college if that's the life you want but if you believe you're smarter than most & can be top the the class at Yale but simply can't afford it because you're dirt broke...your solution is "Eh, settle for a state college & try your luck getting an AMAZING position against your Yale counterpart OR settle for a great job making less than you know you deserve because we're cutting ALL funding for poor people".
Castrito (6 years ago)
If it's worth it, yes. Who needs loans? People who CAN'T afford all tuition. Who doesn't? People who CAN. You suggest we only allow 30% of the population to enter Harvard & the school will immediately cut tuition so low that the other 70% will be able to afford it? Or will it take a while? 70% can wait a few years. Or will tuition never be low enough for all 70% to enter? Keep the poorest out (possibly smartest). Fewer professors & outdated technology doesn't make for a great university.
MrObveous777 (6 years ago)
(1/2)I think a better question is do you think responsible people will keep paying 50,000 in loans a semester?did you know 60% of Harvard students pay with loans 70% get some form of financial aid.if we took that away i think less people would be able to go to Harvard. and less people would go not because they don't want to but because they physically can't.Harvard would have to cut staff budgets and every thing that makes them expansive along with other elite schools to compete for students

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