Today I wanted to share with you guys for just a few minutes about the differences between hydro walk behind lawn mowers vs belt driven units. When choosing a lawn mower theres a dozen things you have to think about, and one of the big ones to consider is whether or not you will go hydro or belt driven for the transmission.
I feel I can weigh in here pretty well since over the years in business we've ran both styles of machines. We started our business with a 48" Exmark Viking hydro walk behind, and later in our business purchased a second mower, which was a Exmark Metro 32" belt driven mower.
Both lawn mowers were great and cut well, but the overall experience with each mower was entirely different. The hydro lawn mower was infinitely easier to use than the belt driven mower with the gear box and manual transmission.
To be honest, I hated using that mower! I'm not sure if I despised gated back yard lawns simply because of the belt driven mower, or the fact that they took forever to walk, but I think that's where my disdain for gated back yards started, ha!
For me personally, going with a Hydro walk behind was a life saver and a game changer for my business. I felt like I had so much more control of the machine compared to the belt driven units we've ran, and they were exponentially more productive. Belt driven units are fine, no doubt about that, but if it was me, spend the few extra bucks and get a hydro version of the mower if you can!
Which style transmission do you guys prefer? Hydro or belt driven? Let me know and leave me a comment down below!
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Hydro. My first WB was a 36" Viking hydro. Never ran without the sulkie. Ran sulkies on my larger WBs until I saved enough cash to buy a Lazer Z. I had a bearing or tire fail a few times on the sulkies that I had to disconnect, and I was jogging/running to maintain the same speed and production level.
I use all Toro 38" belt driven mowers they are thousands cheaper and VERY easy to work on. NO EXPENSIVE HYDRO MAINTENANCE NEEDED!!
There is no such thing as jackknifing a belt driven mower because it does not have a true reverse what I mean by that is if you're standing on at the sulky it will not go in reverse it does not have the power. Also you can keep that transmission in 4th or 5th gear if you ease off of the pistol grip slowly or ease on the T BAR which ever steering mechanism you have takes a little bit to get used to Maybe 2 days.
The badd parts is when you are mowing early morning the morning dew can make the belts slip sometimes If you are not careful. also if you're going down a Hill it does not go one speed like the hydro It's pretty much in drive but it acts like a neutral you can go faster down a Hill than the mower can actually go a hydro locks you into a gear and you can not go faster than that speed even if you're going down a super steep long Hill. Hard to explain but I think the hydro mower is better but depending on your circumstances I have 4 crews 8 mowers so I saved alot by using belt driven mowers.
I started off with a toro t bar with true trac velkie. No pinch point with the true trac it acted like a stand on. And the t bar design with the transmission in the highest gear acted like a variable speed, there was no fatigue like the pistol grip, and it allowed for more pressure to be applied to the belts then the springs. I only remember a few times with heavy dew that the belts would slip. The 2000-3000 doll hair savings it allowed me to purchase other equipment. I still have the mower 10 years later!
im surprised belt drives are still being produced. id rather have a cheap hydro drive then a belt drive any day. belt drives are good for those getting into the business but if you are doing 10+ yards a day hydro is the only way to go
Thanks Brian, I've been looking into this recently as well. Turn off for belt driven for me is gear selection. Being a lawn care newbie I believe a hydro unit would suit me rather well for the years to come.
Sulky def increases productivity. I feel comfortable walking 5 mph behind my swzt but on the sulky 5 seems slow and I am always in 6 or 7 mph range. The amount of grass you can cut quickly goes up the faster you can move.
When Cub took their mower back for repairs, I borrowed Cut & Cleans Encore. What a nightmare! I ran into every tree on my property, scratched up the side of my house, and thankfully my fence is vinyl, otherwise I defiantly would have broke a fence section out LOL. It sure cut good though.
Started out with a old Ferris 52 belt drive. Talk about a workout! Had to freewheel to turn witch means pulling the levers half way and it would freewheel. Remember how amazed I was to try a hydro for the first time. So much more capable. Still have a newer Ferris walk behind and a stander. Never had a sulky.
For ease of use Hydros are great, for ease of repairs belt drive is better, far cheaper to replace a belt than a hydro unit. Trouble is with belts if they get wet they tend to start slipping, and if you are on a hill you don't want a belt slipping. I just put new belts on my uncle's 31 year old SCAG 36" walk behind a couple years ago and they're doing fine. That poor thing got abused most of its life mowing a 3 acre property which was mostly a hill and lots of blackberry vines and other brush. Never had the velke for it, you gotta walk behind it, but sure would be nice for those larger mowing jobs. My uncle has a Husqvarna lawn tractor that has been parked since I got the SCAG going again.
My missus and i picked up our very 1st walk behind for our business this year! 😀 year 2 is already 10x better than year one lol. Its a used gravely 36" walk behind. Belt driven. A bit tougher to handle than a hydro but it is a tank and can mow just about anything. Plus its a good work out. Keeps me in shape haha.
They both have their good benefits and drawbacks. Hydro is great unless you burn one out. Then its an arm and a leg to replace. Belts wear out faster but are a lot cheaper to replace than a hydro pump.
My first commercial mower is a 48” metro belt driven. 1994 model to be exact. Got it for 350 bucks with a blown engine and had a replacement. I love it but I do end trimming larger areas just because the hassle it is to slow down speed up etc in tight places. Doesn’t have reverse for say. It’s reverse assist. So you have to be tugging on it. Great mower for hills rough terrain and heavy thick tall stuff. It’s a tank. I use it in areas my hustler 60” won’t go or isn’t worth trying to use it in a small area. Sometimes I wish it was hydro but the age of the unit I’m glad it’s not because of hydro failure. I’ll actually be going to a stand on and then a 36” hydro walk behind for gates. I just don’t have many in the country so hasn’t been a problem yet
Belt driven is dangerous... they should be banned. I have witnessed people almost get killed taking those off of a trailer. The other day one of our employees almost got their ankles taken off because they squeeze the handle too hard and the Machine shot and reversing crushed sulky behind the mower....
I run belt walk my dad ran sents 80s and I love it have ran my hole life hate hydros and sit downs and stand one the belt drive 48 incers are insane we have rake in front and bag the walk behind cut best I got encore 48 beat shit but makes me tons money 17 acre half lawns
Hydro is the best, we have had from 28" bunton 40" gravely and 48"scag with belt drive mind you this is 1982 to 1990. Then 48", 60",72" scag hydro's till 1999, 52" wright, 36" exmark 48" scag till now. My favorites are 28" bunton one great machine... and the 48" scag that had dually bar tread tires, this I took in ditches and pond edges. Belt drive machines had to many issues with slipping and reverse that didn't work.
Ousama Abdu In my opinion for small to mid size yards, the 36 inch Scag SWZT with a dual wheel velke is the most productive, versatile mower on the market. I can’t believe there is no other mower brand that offers a quick adjust deck height adjustment on a 36 walk behind. I added a chute blocker and quickly switch from mulch to side discharge plus even bag if necessary, Vertically a 3 in 1 mower.
I run a 48 exmark turf tracer with a Kage industries wheel caddie. By far the best sulky ever. Won’t jack knife and has a suspension system. Also run a 32 metro. Hydro is deff better especially in wet conditions
I never got into the larger walk behinds. My push/walk behind is a 22 inch toro. My ztr is a 48 in Scag. My next large mower will probably be another ztr. I doubt I will venture into the larger walk behind mowers. If I get someone to help me within a few years I might look at getting another ztr. I have contemplated whether I go a second 48 in or go big and get 60 in or 72 in. I have also contemplated whether I go with the same brand so I have a better chance of having shared parts or going with a brand that offers a horizontal blower for the bagger which is more effective in tall grass than a vertical blower.
ad a very old gravely 34 inch cut belt drive and I put a sulky on it and it worked very well. The we both a wright hydro 32 inch cut I thought that would be a great idea. Well my first day with the wright it had some sort of electrical problems which just kept going on . Now keep in mind the dealership want me to wait 4 months while they took there sweet ass time to look at it. They even said wright parts are very hard to get . Now keep in mind it had never even cut grass yet . We found someone to fix it but long story short we will never buy a wright again. The girls dont even want to use the wright ! So as they wanted some new mowers they decided to buy some gravely mowers. So now they have 2 gravely in each trailer. But anyway if you want a lighter mower then go with the belt drive they work ok but do not back up well at all. Now if you want something a bit faster and backs up very well go with the hyro mower .. belt drive mowers have there place if your on a budget/
There is always a need for walk behinds when you cut ditches and hills. The standers are fine on gradual hills and flat surfaces but are not great on steep surfaces. A hydro walk behind is the most versatile machine for all surfaces.
Why you tryin to punk my Metro Bro.??? Don't be hatin man!!! All joking aside, Hydro is the way to go!!! And I never knew Hydro walk behinds existed… I thought they were only for zero turns or stand ons…. It's nice to look back and see the evolution. Hope all is well, Dirty Jersey out!!!
you always want to go with a hydro about drive you have slippage with the belts when it's wet it is the same isn't hydro except you don't have to worry about your traction as much random when that was the only thing in the business there was no such thing as a hydro
Started out with my pride and joy 48" belt driven pistol grip, lesco. And yes, was awesome being 13 putting roller blades on and hit the neighborhood lol. Rain? Sure the belt slipped alot but did make muscles. The belt transmissions weren't the best in the industry. Walk behinds have a place in my heart. Especially lescos. Best walk behinds period. (not the Deere lescos) 90s lescos
Things have changed so much in the last 20 yrs in walkbehind mowers. I started with a 36" scag sw36 belt drive.. good starter mowers (like all the peerless trans units)
But when I got into the Exmark Turf Tracers my productivity was so much higher. Yet, I haven't really gotten into Standers.. although I know there's a big upside to ztr
Great video Brian also I might add if I could hydros hold Hills a whole lot better you don't have to worry about if the belts are wet it's slipping it just holds a whole lot better sometimes belt-driven will actually let go and go down the hill if you don't know how to feather the brakes properly. I have a 48 in belt driven Metro I also have a 48 inch Viking. The Metro was a steal this lady was getting rid of all of her ex-husbands tools and stuff because he told her he was never coming back so she sold it to me for 400 bucks. Awesome short to the point video.
@Ousama Abdu hey buddy not that much different on level surfaces the belt driven can go pretty quick as well but if the yard has a lot of hills and dips and Dives and nooks and crannies the hydros a lot better you can do it with the belt driven one if you're used to that type of equipment if not the Hydro One is great for that you can make them both work but you have to feather the break going down Hills on the belt driven, Hydro hold the hill like a champ
Anunciado durante a Gamescom 2017, uma das maiores feiras de videogame do mundo, o remake de Secret of Mana é, desde o início, um projeto pensado para agradar aos fãs de longa data e atrair jogadores novatos com um gameplay mais acessível.
Não se engane: a versão 2018 de Secret of Mana está mais para uma recriação do que uma mera remasterização com pequeno ajustes gráficos. O que temos aqui é um jogo completamente atualizado, com personagens redesenhados que ganharam nova vida graças à estética cartunesca.
Se, por um lado, as mudanças visuais foram projetadas para atrair novatos, por outro, algumas pessoas podem torcer o nariz pela simplicidade da nova abordagem - especialmente no que diz respeito aos cenários e criaturas do mundo.
Os cenários coloridos, por exemplo, ainda que estejam bem representados, trazem pouca variedade e deixam game com cara de “jogo de celular”. Isso fica mais evidente pela estrutura do game, já que muitas áreas estão completamente vazias e monótonas. Nesse quesito, Secret of Mana não tem vantagem em ter o fator nostalgia a seu favor.
O remake utiliza a clássica perspectiva de visão aérea, com a câmera posicionada acima dos personagens. É possível arrastar as bordas da tela manualmente para ter uma visão mais ampla do ambiente, o que é bastante útil para momentos de exploração.
O brilho da era noventista, mas com ressalvas.
Antes de tudo, é importante ressaltar que não há legendas em português, então o melhor a fazer é jogar com textos em inglês. A história continua sendo o ponto mais alto de Secret of Mana e, novamente, coloca o jogador no controle de três adoráveis personagens: Randi, Primm e Popoi - é possível jogar em modo cooperativo local para até três usuários.
O objetivo do grupo é lutar contra um império traidor ao mesmo tempo em que tenta recuperar o poder da Mana para restaurar a paz. O grande problema é que, embora os gráficos estejam atualizados, as animações ficaram presas ao passado. Em vez de despertar o sentimento de nostalgia, a falta de capricho passa a impressão de que o remake foi feito às pressas.
A jogabilidade à la Zelda foi aprimorada e permite desferir ataques de qualquer ângulo. Os inimigos também demonstram mais inteligência, uma vez que agora eles têm a opção de atacar a partir de qualquer ponto do cenário.
Ainda que a movimentação esteja mais fluida, parece haver algum problema técnico relacionado ao impacto dos golpes. Isso porque há momentos em que o personagem simplesmente não acerta o ataque, mesmo posicionado a uma distância razoável do oponente.
Além disso, a interface dos menus ficou bem aquém do esperado, com abas confusas e muito mal posicionadas. Há, no entanto, uma opção de mapear os itens essenciais nos botões do joystick ou teclado, o que facilita muito a organização na hora de combates mais exigentes.
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